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Automatic Better Economy Than Manual
Realizing experts have addressed this and I am just passing along info...living on flat land there are many dump trucks running around here with auto trans. Have been for years with good service. Would also hate to have to find manual trans in farmers pickup here and construction pickup. The farmers know manaul trans and now they are buying tractors for true farming with auto trans. I have a tractor with HST and it will pull find (yes have subsoiled with it), just ues the proper range and not try to control it with light foot on high range.
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There was no reference in my earlier post auto trans and HST were the same. I thought the reference to the HST in tractor pulling subsoiler would have been realized it was in reference to an earlier post in this same thread about HST not having been used for such heavy work by another.
Now, really are they apples and oranges? Are you sure they are not just different variety of apples? Maybe orange and grapefruit?
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Stephen...was your question on a Toyota Tundra? I have a 2004 model and did not know either of the trans you mentioned were available. A point that also affect gas mileage I don't think has been touched on is rear axle ratio. It could be the auto is mated to a higher ratio rear end. It has been done by some mfgs.
Kwschumn....in looking at a small pickup a few years ago I was told the towing range with the manual was less, as they just could not fit large enough clutch in the body of the truck.
Peters...you said some new autos lock in each gear....if that is so and you have that type of trans then that would solve the overheating issue Chief is hitting on, correct?
I fully agree with you that a vehicle equiped for my flat land (east coast) may not preform well in even the Applichians much lest the Rockies. By the same token a towing package for those areas make no sense for someone that only runs flat land or very seldom hit any mountains.
Chief...as to the difference between the HST and auto and manual.. no doubt each is different..but each does have their place and if used properly (which is where much disagreement seems to be here) works well. One of those issues is not overloading what ever the package is.
It is hard to believe that so many mfgs have a similar stand on towing with autos and they are all wrong. This being U.S. and foreign companies.
Someone mentioned not finding a pickup with manual trans at their dealership and it was told they need to find another dealership. Don't come to my part of the world if looking for the manual either in pickups either.
Now...are there some sorry auto trans out there, yep. It has been said here there are some sorry manual trans and no one has disagreed. My brother has had a lot of trouble with a certain U.S. brand of pickup with auto. They just did not hold up for his towing. Now..he thinks the light model should be able to tow the 10,000 load on a trailer. Sorry, you can over load a bulldozer also, even on flat land.
Someone said if they could get a V8 Tundra with manual they would...not sure on their packaging now but I think they offered that on their basic pickup.
May each of you find safe towing and good gas mileage.
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